Mag., .300 RUM, and .30-378 Wby. 7mm Remington Magnu n. 28 . And then what will barrel life be like? By this measurement, the .28 Nosler is one of the best elk cartridges for long range shooting. The 300 WM typically fires bullets between 150 and 220 grains while the 28 Nosler fires bullet weights between 160 and 185 grains. The right bullet in the right place. However, you should be aware that the recoil on a .28 Nosler is not right for all shooters. For deer and pronghorn, to much gun. more than the 270 WSM at the muzzle. Mag., and you understand why its not just the most popular .300 magnum of all time, but one of the best all-round elk calibers of all time. Mag. No discussion of a cartridges ability to take large game would be complete without discussing foot pounds of energy. Mag., flying half a foot flatter and impacting with an additional 200fps of energy at 500 yards. Any rifles already chambering for any of the fatter magnums like the RUMs, Dakotas, or .338 Lapua should be fit to fit the 27 Nosler. A high B.C. This new 10mm from FN is rugged, versatile, and effective. Mag. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. quote: 7mm/284 and 6.5 have a huge selection of bullets already available. In comparison a 250-grain slug at 2,600 fps will churn up just 3,750 ft-lb. 180-gr. This will be influenced significantly by the terrain youll hunt. A high B.C. Historians of guns and ammo credit OConnors writings for popularizing the little .270, which was and still is a bit of an oddball caliber. For me, I havent developed any flinching issues and Id prefer to have a gun that I know will shoot incredibly flat with little wind drift at long distances for those cross-canyon elk shots. The 27 Nosler should be easy enough. It was and still is Everymans (and womans) 30 magnum. Any cartridge in a caliber big enough to hit an elk hard hits you hard, too. Despite the age and reputation of the 6.555 Swede cartridge across Europe, the 26-calibers have never been a go to for elk in North America. Nov 7, 2022. The two old wildebeest bulls weighed about 315 pounds each, and a mature bull elk weighs approximately 650 pounds. Right. "Whereas the 6.5s aren't enough for elk and the .30 cals are too much for whitetail, the 6.8 strikes the perfect balance of ballistic performance for all North American big game and in lighter, easier-to-shoot rifle platforms." . On the contrary, 150-180 grain bullets in 300 Win Mag can hold up to 1000 rounds. Mag., some less. The Ammunition that I will be focusing on for the 27 Nosler are factory Nosler Trophy Grade 150 grain AccuBond and 165-grain AccuBond Long Range offerings. Zeroed 3.3 inches high at 100 yards, that projectile will drop just two inches at 300 yards, deflect just five inches in a 10 mph right angle wind, and cling to 2,866 ft-lb energy. One of the most effective elk calibers available. Chambered in the .27 caliber 6.8 Western makes this a certain elk gun. For deer and pronghorn, to much gun. I had the 170 elites up to 3125 fps when it was 270 wby so I'm hoping to easily get to 3200 + once it's a 27. Joined Feb 19, 2010 Messages 3,240 Location GODS COUNTRY IDAHO. Thats ok. Live and learn is a common aphorism for a reason. The general consensus is that this old, belted magnum is the best caliber for elk hunting. Enjoy your videos very much. The .270 Winchester fits standard-length actions with standard diameter bolt faces and standard magazines. Thats a very nice lightweight setup, without going to the extremes. The smaller the bullet, the higher its quality and the more precise its deposit must be. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. The result is a standard setting offering from Nosler that redefines performance as radically now as the 270 Winchester did upon its introduction in 1925. The new Sig round is wildly different than any other .270 cartridge because its been chronographed spitting 140-grain .277 bullets 3,000 fps. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Conceived as a 21st century upgrade, the 27 Nosler delivers previously unobtainable downrange ballistics by pairing the ultimate combination of case capacity with modern long-for-caliber bullets. Unless you work with a custom gun builder and handload, study factory options before choosing. There is a persistent myth flying about that the 7mm Rem Mag shoots too fast. Many claim its bullets dont have time to open. According to my notes, I've killed 27 elk with a 270. Of course that means more energy downrange, less drop, and less wind deflectionwith a bunch more recoil. Shot was quartering to and both shots exited behind off shoulder. And it has worked just find on elk, moose, even big brown bears, though most think it waaay too light for that. Time will tell. Jim Harmer is a host of the Backfire Youtube channel. Guns. Okay, but minimal. Equally significant is the 27 Noslers recommended twist rate: 1 turn in 8.5 inches. The new .270s (27 Nosler and 6.8 Western), with faster twists and bullets up to 175 grains change the game. or .264 Win. 6.5 Creedmoor. The .28 Nosler shoots flat and powerfully, but it is expensive to shoot, burns barrels quickly, and has significant recoil. These rifle weight/size considerations will influence cartridge size, especially length. Jan 29, 2023 #1 need several 100 pieces of 27 nosler brass brand new in box . Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. Ditto the .416s, 44s, and 45s. From the post-World War II era . By 600 yards that energy advantage will have dropped to just 180 ft-lb. Those are the two loads I keep seeing in my local Sportsmans Warehouse and Cabelas. Inside of 500 yards the ballistics and energy are comparable. The Hornady designed the .300 Precision Rifle Cartridge (the .300 PRC) as a precision long-range rifle . More weight and a higher BC equals more energy to transfer to the target. I warned you this is a big family. Nosler has introduced the 27 Nosler, a 27-caliber cartridge based on the fat .404 Jeffery case, same as the .30, .28, and .26 Noslers. For over 90 years, American hunters have taken to the field in pursuit of nearly all the game the lower 48 states have to offer with a trusty 270 in hand. Figure another 30 fps velocity increase for every inch of barrel added and a 24-inch launchpad should nudged that 140-grain to 3,240 fps. Its just too convenient and effective to go away. Makes me feel good to see I am within 150 fps of the 27 Nosler. Hornady Outfitter is pretty accurate and its less than its other Nosler cousins. Most factory loads from a 24-inch barrel are rated 2,960 fps. A year later, I couldnt be happier with my purchase. bullet will carry about 250 ft-lb more energy. He wasnt quite prepared for the recoil when the rifle was mounted on his shoulder over a puffy coat. worldwide popularity. The .270 Winchesters SAAMI spec maximum chamber pressure is 65,000 psi. Elk dont like any of this. Retains > 1,700 foot/pounds of energy at 500 yards. During most of its 93 years of existence, the .270 Winchester has been quite popular among hunters, and for as long as I can remember, it has made the Top Five big-game cartridge list at RCBS, according to reloading die sales . A couple of friends swear by the .444 Marlin for hunting elk in oak brush. Unless Sig Sauers new .277 SIG Fury is more your style. hatched five years later and gave big brother a real run for his money. Thats excellent performance for a tough animal. I dont personally shoot extreme ranges when hunting by any means, but when I can consistently hit 600 yards in practice, I know 300 wont give me any trouble when hunting. Quite a few elk have fallen from the 117hh in a wsm at . The .28 Nosler shoots flat and powerfully, but it is expensive to shoot, burns barrels quickly, and has significant recoil. Manufactured by Nosler as part of their Trophy Grade Ammunition lineup and loaded with the legendary Nosler Partition bullet, this is hands down the best 28 Nosler ammo for elk, moose, or bear hunting at shorter ranges. Lots of things still to be determined, but at least the .277-inch bullet size is getting some new life. Some .30-calibers work best in lever actions, some in short actions, some in full magnum actions. Although there are more advanced and fancy bullet designs created more recently, most factory loads for the 28 Nosler focus on long range expansion, and Id prefer to have a Partitions deep penetration for elk. But that doesnt seem to matter. Thirty-calibers have been sending elk to the table for more than 125 years. Read Next: Weird, Off-Beat, and Cool Guns and Gear from SHOT Show 2020. Those are better trajectory numbers than many .338 Win. Not sure of performance gains or losses between the two. Product #: 503034. Thats the key to each of these new .270 cartridges. The primary example right now is the 28 Nosler, but 7mm bullet development continues, and I predict cartridge development will keep pace. Any rifle strong enough to contain the 7mm Rem. The answer is higher allowed chamber pressure. For elk, I would go with the 28. This takes us back to the launch. Fine options include the old .264 Win. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7.2mm or 0.284" while the 300 Win Mag fires the more common 30-caliber or 0.308" diameter bullets. Mag., .338 RUM, .338 Lapua Mag., and massive .338-378 Wby. I want to hit them well, but also hardat any range. The SIG and Nosler both require fast twist rifling to stabilize those long, high B.C. It usually includes hiking steep country for days with a pack on your back. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. How long of a barrel are you willing to carry? Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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Elk carry enough venison on the hoof to suggest a big cartridge and big bullet. The axis doe was at the head of herd, and DonDonwho despite his initial impressions made an excellent guidesimply nudged with his bristled chin and said Two-fifty. bullet makes it easier to hit should you misjudge the range. Unless you want a new, longer range rig, then go for it! Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. For general Big Game hunting, caliber and expected bullet performance is how I judge killing ability. I wouldnt say Im especially recoil sensitive, but I dont have an iron shoulder either. Another good choice for an elk bullet would be the standard 140 grain AccuBond. Okay, maybe not a pallet, but a lot. If recoil doesnt bother you, Id look hard at the .300 WSM, .325 WSM, even the new 6.8 Western, agonize over a 24-inch barrel, and probably compromise with a 23-inch barrel. When hunting elk with a rifle, shooting distances vary widely depending on the topography and vegetation youre hunting. Your email address will not be published. The "new" .270s (27 Nosler and 6.8 Western), with faster twists and bullets up to 175 grains change the game. The old .30-06 remains an awesome elk cartridge. At 800 yards the 28 Nosler carries just over 2000 ft lbs of energy. Weatherbys .300 magnum had been dazzling magnum fans since the mid 1940s, but it was a full-length magnum caliber available only in expensive custom or Weatherby Rifles. Sticking with the 8-pound rifle, the 26 Nosler pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly 32 f-p energy. Cartridge means the case that holds the powder that drives the bullet. 28 Nosler is a one and done for everything on NA. In 1963, everyone knew the all-American .30/06, so they had a benchmark against which to judge this belted magnum throwing the same familiar bullets 200 fps faster. In other words, unlovely. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. A natural question now is if other gun makers will chamber for the 27 Nosler and .277 SIG Fury. Adequate, but be careful and watch the distance. Keep it on 4 unless you have lots of time at longer range then you can crank it up. Is 28 Nosler too much for deer? Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season. Again, I believe frontal area matters. Nearly every elk hunter will care somewhat about the weight of their rifle after a long day of hiking. How much will it cost? Some come in ultralight rifles for easy mountain hunting, some in extra heavy platforms for stand hunting or longer range shooting. (Or you can just stalk closer and to heck with pushing the envelope. True. Loaded with a 150gr bullet, the 27 Nosler has an additional 800ft/lbs. The .338/06 adds about 200 fps muzzle velocity for about two inches less drop at 300 yards and roughly 300 ft-lb more punch. Do you feel a 140 grain Barnes TTSX would be suitable for elk? Question. The .30-06 may not be an extreme range cartridge, but it is capable for the shooting most of us would do. throwing similar weight projectiles means youre packing elk medicine. .270 Winchester. No doubt Ive angered all of its fans by comparing it to the old, slow .30-06. The onshore winds had begun to swirl a bit, and I was thoroughly convinced that the hunt was essentially over for that evening. A faster-than-standard 1-8.5" twist barrel design allows the 27 Nosler to propel Nosler's factory-loaded 150gr AccuBond and 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets (new for 2020) at never-before-seen velocities and distances in 270 caliber. We had set up in what I considered to be a less-than-advantageous position, a bit too skylined for my liking, and with very little cover. Less variety in factory loads on the market. Use enough gun, enough caliber, and enough cartridge and bullet to invite them to dinner. The venerable .270 Winchester has been a mainstay on gun store racks, ammo displays and in reloaders cabinets for decades. The .270s are similarly adequate for elkwith caution. .308-inch diameter bullet carrying 1,500 ft-lb energy and I doubt theyll notice any difference. For starters, it burns more powder. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Heres how it performed. In this article, Ill cover the pros and cons Ive found with shooting the .28 Nosler on my recent big game hunting adventures. Kali Parmley, Editor-in-chief of Bakccountry Hunter speaks with Bret Maffet of Franchi Firearms to discuss the all new Momentum All Terrain Elite. Both sizes are much better ballistically and that what i was saying in my post. As for the .277 SIG Fury, well have to see if current actions are strong enough to safely contain those high pressures. Id go the 27 Nosler, the 270 WSM is awesome. will handle the .338 Win. That said, dozens, nay hundreds of elk are layed low each fall by careful application of the 6.5 Creedmoor, a near ballistictwin of the Swede. Shoot her.. I think a .30-06 with 180-grain bullet offers about the same performance as a 7mm Remington Magnum with 175-grain bullet. 27 Nosler ; 270 Weatherby Magnum; 270 Winchester; 270 Winchester Short Magnum; 28 Nosler; 280 Ackley Improved; . Then, the barrel life will be around 1500 rounds! Weatherby came out with his .270 magnum fairly soon (about 20 years) after the .270 Winchester took off, but the next .277 shooter didnt pop until 2001 as the .270 Winchester Short Magnum. I can wait to get it back. One of the most popular magnums of all time. The .28 Nosler cartridge is one of the best cartridges for hunting elk as long as controlled-expansion bullets are used. Not exactly modern, not sizzling, hot or sexy. This list of the best cartridges for elk hunting starts with the welterweights and moves up to the heavy hitters. The .28 Nosler is a cartridge developed by the Nosler Corporation. The cartridge fires a bullet with a diameter of .284 inches or 7mm. because the latter rolls out those wide, .338-inch diameter 250-grain bullets. Fully prepped, Nosler premium cartridge brass in 27 Nosler will be available in 25ct boxes. Recoil is stout, but substantially less than any magnum .30. Based on the 404 Jeffrey Same case as the 30 Nosler When compared to the 28 Nosler, the 27 Nosler has a longer neck and a shorter length to the shoulder to prevent the 28 from being chambered in the 27. In fact, the first time my friend, who is a seasoned shooter himself, shot my 28 Nosler, he got scoped! Second, since .30-caliber bullets must be even heavier to compete in the Ballistic Coefficient (BC) race, a magnum 7mm recoils significantly less than a magnum .30. Will the 27 Nosler shove the .270 Winchester out of the limelight? of energy over the 270 Win and 600ft./lbs. You are all set and go forth with complete confidence. This short-fat, looking remarkably similar to the 6.8 Western, adds around 200 fps to the best Creedmoor speeds, and that lets you shoot the same bullets with less drop, less wind deflection, and more energy on target. Consequently, it is not surprising that the bullet did not pass through. 2500fps and 1600+ft-lb at same distance. Any real or perceived failure of the 7mm Rem. In the other case, it bucked around for about 5 seconds before expiring. Wonderful elk cartridge, so is the .325 WSM, but theyre not common. bullets. Be the first to hear about our latest news and events. In both cases, the 163 grain ELD-X bullet did not exit the animals body and used all that energy inside the vitals. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is with Dawn Wehunt of Rock River Arms INC. learning about the new Ascendant platform. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. The right .30/06 load should add 100 fps velocity and 100 ft-lb energy. Required fields are marked *. So, I dont believe any 7mm hits as hard as a .30-caliber. Recoil isn't bad and it will lay out the ft/lbs of energy as ways. may have inspired Winchester to bring out its marvelous .300 magnum the very next year. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Backfire LLC owns and operates this website. Not everybody has embraced the rage for rangeand not all elk are found in open country. The 26 Nosler has a higher muzzle velocity than the 28 Nosler, making it ideal for long-range shooting. Today most ammo makers also offer 225-grain bullets in a variety of controlled expansion configurations that retain mass well enough to penetrate better than the original 250-grain cup/core styles while delivering equal, sometimes more muzzle energy thanks to higher muzzle velocity. Although perhaps not an ideal extreme range cartridge, the .338 shoots surprisingly flat. That is, the best of the best for terminating elk without beating up shooters. In my situation, I think the tradeoffs of recoil are far outweighed by the positive aspects of the cartridge. The 7mm family hatched around 1892 with the 7x57mm Mauser and has since grown to fifteen or more. Ammo is easier to find in a greater variety of bullet weights and styles, too. I did not determine the rifling twist rate of the Cross Rifle, but Im guessing it will be faster than the traditional 1-10 inches of the .270 Winchester. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. UPC #: 054041612371. With good form, a boat tail 225-grain .338 slug should rate a B.C. launched 2,600 fps will still be churning some 1,800 ft-lb energy. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Manufacturer #: 61237. My impression is that traditionalists will stick with the good old .270 Winchester. Given that 1,500 ft-lb is considered elk power, both projectiles are golden. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Work the numbers, compare for yourself; at moderate ranges differences arent that dramatic. Roughly equivalent to a . AccuBond Long Range or a comparable bullet with its high B.C. Im a big 270 fan too FYI. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. Slide up to some of the new 190-gr. From a distance, it looks like your typical Bobcat. of .414 or so, the 210-gr. []. IMR 7828, IMR 7977 and IMR 8133; Reloder 26 and Reloder 33; Hodgdons H1000 and H50BMG; all make good choices for the big case. The first has a higher muzzle velocity of 3246 FPS (chronographed on a ProChrony Digital) with a lower G1 ballistic coefficient of 0.496 while the later has a lower muzzle velocity of 3121 . The conventional (and mostly misguided) wisdom is that an elk cartridge should have 1,500 foot pounds of energy at the distance from which you shoot. 27 Nosler 145 Hornady ELD-X-How The 27 Nosler Outdoes Other .270s: Based on the .404 Jeffery, its case has exceptional capacity. I see it this way with a bullet of adequate caliber for the game hunted, its bullet performance at expected range that kills and is a good measure of killing abilty. trajectory may explain how the 7mm Rem. ), Read Next: The Best New Guns, Ammo, and Hunting Gear from SHOT Show 2020, Nosler representatives couldnt tell me the B.C. The elk took 3 steps and collapsed. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. While Elmer had his fans agreeing, the thorn in Elmers side, Jack OConnor, had his readers lapping up the .270 Winchester. wheaties300 Well-Known Member. However, if I were in the market for a fast 7mm, Id look at one of the new unbelted cartridges designed for these bullets. I used a 7mm Rem Mag for years, great cartridge. Because Winchester didnt insist on the caliber being proprietary, anyone could load and chamber for it. While there are some drawbacks to this cartridge for elk hunting, in general its one of the best rounds on the market. Elk Hunter 338 Official LRH Sponsor. Mag. I handled a sample Cross and it felt precise, tight, remarkably adjustable for fit, and impressively light at just 6.5 pounds, only about 1.5 pounds heavier than the ultralight mountain rifles Ive hunted with the past 30 years. We use cookies to make your experience better. The .28 Nosler cartridge is one of the best cartridges for hunting elk as long as controlled-expansion bullets are used. Here stands the old warrior with its two newest competitors in the rather small .27-caliber world. The included photo of the model/mock up of this case is close but not exact. Why so fast? Again, bullet weight. Faster models like .270 Wby. The 28 Nosler adds considerable powder, thus energy, to push the same 175-grain bullet as the 280 AI. At 300 yards that bullet should still carry nearly 2,700 ft-lb energy, which is close to what a 180-grain .308 Winchester coughs up at the muzzle. Believe it or not, with the right bullet, it can hang right with the .300 Win Mag without the recoil. From left to right: 27 Nosler, .270 Weatherby Magnum, .270 WSM, .270 Winchester, 6.8 SPC. 1:8.5 The 27 Noslers faster-than-standard twist barrel is designed to stabilize modern, long range bullets. Jim. They dont start as fast but with better aerodynamics, theyll pass lighter slugs at mid-range, and hit way out there with more authority. The 225-grain load in an eight-pound rifle should generate about 40.8 ft-lb of recoil energy. This meant the .338 Win. Once you start reaching out there, the 28 Nosler really shines. Ditto rifle size. Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. I have shot most of my big game with a 270 Win or a 270 WSM. Ive had unsuccessful elk hunts, but Ive never lost a bull, so my choices have worked for me. Because of lower pressure and achieving full velocity with less powder, the .30-06 has less felt recoil than a 7mm Remington Magnum. .662) already on dealer shelves. I have yet to see anyone do a comparison of the two cartridges, no doubt because the 27 Nosler is a very new option at this time. bullets, weight to weight, have a higher SD for potentially better penetration. Mag. So, the most likely candidate today is a modern .45-70 lever-action, either a Marlin or Henry in the popular guide gun configuration, short barrel with easy scope mounting. With the Jeffery-based case, youll want to look to powder choices on the slow end of the spectrum. But based on the usage, grains, the barrel life could vary. I put a Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25x scope on my rifle, so the finished setup weighed 31.2 ounces. The factory ammo and brass is cheaper for the 28 Nosler. And to handle that, the SIG cartridge is built with a stainless steel head. Elk/Moose Sized Game; Roughly equivalent to a . I wanted it to be my hunt the world gun that I could use for hunting everything from wild hog and deer up to elk, wildebeest, waterbuck, and other large-bodied game. So, in open country, a fast 7mm has tremendous appeal. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. With greater frontal area (than a .30) and heavy bullets, the .338 will do this. When Winchester came out with this modification of the .30-06 these was no other 27-caliber cartridge in the world. Feb 27, 2006 5,121 173. Close or far, thick timber or wide-open, the .338 Win Mag is an elk cartridge! Do you prefer a standard-length action or short? A 140- to 150-grain .264 driven to the same speeds as a .270 Win. When it first came out in 1962, it sent the then four-year-old .264 Winchester Magnum into a tailspin. Maybe they are still there . The .338 Win. 28 Nosler is a one and done for everything on NA. (Photo: Kristin Alberts/Guns.com) Synonymous with quality hunting ammunition, Nosler shakes things up in the .270 world introducing a new caliber - the 27 . Modern 6.5s, whether slow like the Creedmoor or fast like the PRC, are limited to 140-grain bullets, also light for elk-sized animals. No experience with this specific bullet, but with my .270 I have taken 5 elk (2 bulls, 3 cows) with the 150gr Federal Fusion in factory load. Loaded with a 150gr bullet, the 27 Nosler is 400fps faster than a 270 Win, and 300fps faster than a 270 WSM at the muzzle. Nosler has built quite a cartridge family, and it continues to grow. They share a maximum body diameter of 14.0 mm (0.550 in). Whats different about the .277 Sig Fury is it gets that 3,000 fps from a 16-inch barrel. Not long ago, the .270 Winchester reigned supreme. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Whats not to like? The Nosler M48 Carbon Mountain Rifle is reviewed and taken to the range, where we shot and tested several handloads. Whats best for you depends on the distance you intend to shoot, based on where you hunt. We have an embarrassment of choices in 7mms, and elk dont like any. Lots more powder.

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