The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. Patricia 'The Sparrow' Kopta found alive after decades Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. Feb 7, 2017 Patricia A. Giddings, seated beside Keeseville-based attorney Jacob Painter in Clinton County Court on Tuesday, spoke only to affirm she understood the proceedings. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Animals would have for sure. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Or did they? which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! And Patricia wasnt all edges. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. WoW! This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. [emailprotected]. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Said Nailed? Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. Jury convicts man who harbored fugitive brother accused of killing They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. Yassein Saids sentencing has been set for June 4. However, Said never called 911. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Said Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! Jenkins' assailant Patricia Prue was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on Friday after deciding to plead guilty the day before to charges of aggravated attempted murder, kidnapping and conspiracy. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. Missouri's Governor Pardons The St. Louis Lawyers Who Waved No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. Patricia Rorrer: An Update A Texas father one of the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives wanted for the slayings of his two teen daughters was busted after more than 12 years on the run, the federal law enforcement agency announced. Hair we go. After the guilty verdict was pronounced, the defense learned that a report from a state psychologist was not given to the jury. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). No charmed life. On June 14, 1989, Patricia Wright and her 7-year-old son, Alfey, were riding in a car driven by family friend Lawrence Slaughter. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. Its totally irrelevant. You took my family all in one night," she said. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. Then you claim this is an opinion. The District Attorney got this one right. In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. You should be ashamed of yourself. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. Said She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. She was the one that left Andy! Stop it.. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. There are a number of issues in the case, Kelley said in a letter to his associate, Christopher Darden, including the competency of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct and, of course, compelling legal error by the court.. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. More hairs there. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. she didnt need to . The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. We really thought she was dead all those years. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? Proven in court and sentence awarded!!! Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/LizMurraySMC. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. Patricia Everyone lies. Said And she will have to answer eventually. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. After 30 minutes Id be calling someone! Patricia Owens, Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. "I'm not sorry we were caught. Trash-talking ex. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. Conflicting versions. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? Still, no good leads materialized. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. Three Strikes holds dying innocent woman behind bars: Justice for Patricia Wright I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow. I have never seen anything this egregious., Requests for Proposals and Qualifications, Families to Amend California's Three Strikes (FACTS), life without possibility of parole (LWOP), National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), What California should do with people convicted of violent felonies, The Folsom 6 who stood up for Yogi are vindicated. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. 5 years prior to all this happening! I am sorry it ever happened at all.". Although I would have liked it to be death! You took my life. 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. 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She took out the woman who replaced her. Prosecutors said Said, a native of Egypt, was angry that his daughters were dating and that the boys were not Muslim. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. He was captured in August and is in state custody. I thought the same. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. There was widespread speculation that the sisters were shot in an honor killing a practice in some cultures in which men kill female relatives who are thought to have brought shame upon their families. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Probably by the jeans and the boots. Patricia is a evil monster. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. 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"So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? Nope. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. WebHis ex-wife and the mother of the teens, Patricia Owens, watched Said as the judge sentenced him. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Or did they? Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Alfey liked to look at model homes, so they decided to stop by an open house that was located at 13810 Redberry St. in Moreno Valley, California. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. How is it that these women are paroled? How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. They also presented an email from the girls to one of their teachers prior to the murder saying they feared their father would kill them. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Patricia pled guilty on April 2, 1990. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. . All rights reserved. The defense also criticized Irving Police and federal investigators, claiming they did not properly investigate the case or look for other suspects. The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. Omg so well put! If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Why isn't Patricia "Tissie" Said in jail for her role in this "honor

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